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Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby MBK271 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:57 am

I'm looking to get my wife a new lens for her camera for our upcoming anniversary. Unfortunately, I don't know anything bout these things.

She has a Nikon camera that looks something like this:

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She wants to improve the lens because she likes the feature where the background is blurred but the focal point is ultra crisp. She thinks that makes the pictures look really professional. I'm sure we could probably get this done with technique but I think the lens has something to do with it as well.

The two that have been recommended to me are the Nikkor 18-105mm and the Nikkor 18-200mm. The 18-200 is way outside of my price range but I'm thinking of purchasing the 18-105 for about $300. Before I drop that kind of cash, does anyone know anything about a camera lens? Will this get the desired affect we are looking for?

Any purchasing tips and places to buy are appreciated!
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Makaveli on Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:14 pm

I don't know shit about cameras, unfortunately, but I was curious from your post and read this....which I actually understood


http://www.crispphotoworks.com/how-to-g ... -aperture/
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:59 pm

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby MBK271 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:32 pm

Mak - thanks for the link! I read it and wen and practiced and can get a minimal blur in the background if I get really close to the object. Not sure how to do it from further away. I need to read about how to set the aperture and what kind of lens I need to get a lens that has a wide aperture of lower than 2. I'll read more but this is a good start!

I did some research and we have the Nikon D70 with a Nikkor 18-70mm lens. Not sure if that is good or not.

Dan - since our current lens is 70mm.... is this better than the 50mm lens you are recommending? Why do you prefer this lens over the 18-105 that I was looking at? I'm not sure if higher mm means better lens but I know the price point goes up so I am assuming. Not sure what I'm missing though.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:20 pm

for purposes of the blurry background/in focus subject, the most important spec is the aperture. That is the f/ number. The lower that number, the more you can blur the background and the better the lens will be in low-light conditions. The one I linked to is a 50mm...which means that there is no ability to zoom. It's what's called a prime lens. So to get your subject framed correctly, you the photographer have to move farther or closer to your subject, rather than relying on zooming in/out from a fixed position. f/1.8 is a very low aperture number compared to most stock/zoom lenses. To get a fairly low f/ number (2.8 or so) with a zoom lens, you have to pay hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars.

the 18-70 lens describes how close up you will be when zoomed all the way out and all the way in. At 18mm you are zoomed all the way out. At 70mm you are zoomed in as close as you can get.

Your 18-70 looks to be a f/3.5-4.5, which means you can blur a bit at the lowest aperture number, but not nearly as much as a f/1.8
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:28 pm

The Nikkor 18-105 is a f/3.5, but it has a wide zoom capability

The Nikkor 18-200 is also a f/3.5, but it has an even wider zoom capability, which makes it extremely versatile and why it's a lot more $ than the 18-105. I think a lot of people like it because it's so versatile--you can get extreme closeups (take the picture from close to your subject) as well as being able to zoom in on a subject from far away (kids sports, etc) You just won't get quite as dramatic of a blurred background at f/3.5
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:31 pm

so, one conclusion is that since she's already got a 18-70 f/3.5...you're not really gaining much at all by going to an 18-105 f/3.5.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby HornMafia on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:34 pm

This is a good topic. Robbi and I want a better camera for Augusta in April.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:45 pm

I was just looking at Flickr for examples...you can do a search for "Nikkor f/3.5 18-70" and it will show you examples of pictures taken with this lens. It looks like there are plenty of examples that show you CAN get a fairly blurred background with this lens. It may just be that she's taking all of her pics with an automatic setting. You could have her try shooting in the Aperture Priority mode, which allows her to set the aperture to f/3.5 and the camera will adjust the other settings for a proper exposure.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:52 pm

Here's one taken with the same lens as y'all's

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:53 pm

same here

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby U2-Horn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:55 pm

last one, D70 with same 18-70 lens

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Mr. Peabody on Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:48 pm

Yeah, you want a lens with at least an f spot of 2.8. You will get a excellent blurred out background with it. All of my lenses are f/2.8 throughout their entire zoom range.

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby 12ozLongneck on Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:58 pm

Can't you just do that with Instagram or some shit?
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Mr. Peabody on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:12 pm

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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Mr. Peabody on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:23 pm

My lens are a canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 and a canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8. They are both canons "L" lens series which is their top of the line lenses.

I don't always blur out the background, but I can when I want to. You can even by f stops of 1.4 if you want to.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby MBK271 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:47 pm

This is greatness. Thanks so much Dan and Peabody! Great stuff.

Ok, so I know a few things:

1. I want a really low f rating if I want to get the effect that I want
2. The two lenses that I am looking at will not improve the f rating but will improve my zoom length
3. I can invest in a low f rating which I want but if I want it to come with zoom, I'm going to have to pay a LOT of money
4. My auto focus probably isn't set up correctly and I should search the web on how to optimize the f rating for the lens that I do have (I'm wondering if this might be all I need to do?)

Did I miss anything?

Peabody - those are some crazy photos. Thanks for sharing.

So - what is the bottom line recommendation here? If I don't want to spend $1K on this thing it sounds like I should either learn how to use my current lens or buy a low f rating lens that I have to be really close to the object to shoot? (As Dan recommended)
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Mr. Peabody on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:58 pm

There are some quality lenses that are non Canon or Nikon that are very affordable.

I think I've got some lens websites listed at work where you can study up on them and look at user reviews. I'll look them up and also throw out some names of lens brands that have very good reputation.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby Mr. Peabody on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:59 pm

12ozLongneck wrote:Can't you just do that with Instagram or some shit?


You're always such a negative Nancy.
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Re: Camera Question For Peabody (and others)

Postby BarryBnds on Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:37 am

Mr. Peabody wrote:
12ozLongneck wrote:Can't you just do that with Instagram or some shit?


You're always such a negative Nancy.


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